>>> NOW, THERE IS BIG MONEY IN U.S. COLLEGE SPORTS, AS EVERYONE KNOWS.

IN THE ERA OF NAME, IMAGE, AND LIKENESS, SOME OF THE TOP ATHLETES CAN EARN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS EVERY YEAR.

FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THOUGH, A NEW AGREEMENT CALLED THE HOUSE SUPPLEMENT, WILL ALLOW FOR SCHOOLS TO PAY PLAYERS DIRECTLY.

CHARLIE BAKER, THE FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOVERNOR, NOW PRESIDENT OF THE NCAA, SAYS IT IS A WIN FOR STUDENT ATHLETES AND HE IS JOINING MICHEL MARTIN TO EXPLAIN WHY AND WHAT THIS MEANS FOR THEIR FUTURE.

>> THANKS, CHRISTIANE.

CHARLIE BAKER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

>> IT IS NICE TO BE WITH YOU.

>> OF COURSE, EVERYBODY HAS HEARD OF THE NCAA BUT TO SET THE TABLE FOR US, I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THE NCAA IS.

AS BRIEFLY AS YOU CAN, IT WAS AN ORGANIZATION FOUNDED OVER A CENTURY AGO, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF IT?

>> THE POINT AND PURPOSE OF IT IS TO PROVIDE AS POSITIVE A STUDENT ATHLETES EXPERIENCE AS IT POSSIBLY CAN ON BEHALF OF ABOUT 1100 SCHOOLS AND ABOUT 510,000 STUDENT ATHLETES ACROSS 3 DIVISIONS.

THE BEST WAY TO THINK ABOUT THE DIVISIONS ARE DIVISION I ARE TYPICALLY THE BIGGER SCHOOLS.

DIVISION II SCHOOLS THAT ARE A LITTLE SMALLER THAN DIVISION I AND DIVISION III TEND TO BE SCHOOLS THAT WE THINK OF AS SMALLER SCHOOLS, DON'T TYPICALLY DO ATHLETIC SCHOLARSHIPS, MOSTLY DO THEIR SCHOLARSHIPS BASED ON FINANCIAL OR ACADEMIC ELIGIBILITY.

HONESTLY, AS THE FATHER OF TWO DIVISION III ATHLETES AND AS A DIVISION I ATHLETE MYSELF AND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO PLAYED IN DIVISION II, THEY ALL HAVE A ROLE TO PLAY AND THEY MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE AND THEY ARE SPREAD ACROSS ALL 50 STATES.

>> YOU ARE A FARMER GOVERNOR OF MASSACHUSETTS, TWO TERM GOVERNOR, YOU RAN A HEALTH CARE COMPANY, THE TYPICAL TRAJECTORY FOR A GOVERNOR WOULD BE LIKE YOU GO TO THE SENATE, MAYBE YOU RUN FOR PRESIDENT.

SO, WHY DID YOU WANT TO DO THIS JOB?

>> I WASN'T PLANNING ON DOING IT.

I GOT A CALL FROM A FRIEND OF MINE IN LATE OCTOBER OF THE LAST YEAR OF MY TERM, WHICH WOULD BASICALLY BE 60 DAYS BEFORE IT WAS OVER, WHO SAID THAT HE HAD BEEN ASKED ABOUT CANDIDATES FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE NCAA AND HE THOUGHT OF ME.

I SORT OF LAUGHED.

I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

BUT, HE SAID, LOOK, THEY ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE WHO HAS FIRST-HAND EXPERIENCE IN COLLEGE SPORTS, WHICH I HAVE, AND THEY WANTED SOMEBODY WHO COULD WORK IN A REALLY COMPLICATED DECISION-MAKING MODEL.

AND, THE NCAA HAS 180 COMMITTEES.

THEY COVER EVERY TOPIC YOU CAN THINK OF AND THERE ARE LITERALLY THOUSANDS OF REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE MEMBERSHIP WE SERVE ON THESE COMMITTEES TO MAKE DECISIONS AND ALSO IT IS IN SORT OF A TURBULENT TIME, AS I'M SURE YOU AND I WILL TALK ABOUT.

LOOK, I REALLY BENEFITED FROM MY EXPERIENCE PLAYING BASKETBALL AT HARVARD.

IN FACT, I TELL PEOPLE ALL THE TIME IT WAS A PLACE WHERE I REALLY FELT LIKE I BELONGED.

FINDING YOUR COMMUNITY REALLY MATTERS.

THAT WAS MINE.

I REALLY DO BELIEVE COLLEGE SPORTS IS ABOUT A LOT MORE THAN JUST PLAYING A GAME.

YOU LEARN A LOT ABOUT HOW TO BE A TEAMMATE, HOW TO DO THE GRIND, HOW TO GET BACK WHEN YOU GET KNOCKED DOWN AND THE ORGANIZATION WAS CLEARLY FIXING SOME SIGNIFICANT CHALLENGES AND I'M NOT AFRAID OF DECISION- MAKING MODELS THAT ARE MESSY AND COMPLICATED BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN THEM FOR MOST OF MY CAREER.

>> SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS YOU DID WHEN YOU FIRST BECAME PRESIDENT WAS GO ON A LISTENING TOUR OF ALL OF THE CONFERENCES.

IS THERE SOMETHING YOU HEARD AT THESE, AT LEAST LISTENING TOURS THAT REALLY INFORMS YOUR THINKING ABOUT THE JOB NOW?

IS IT DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU EXPECTED?

>> SO, I TALKED TO ALL 97 CONFERENCES IN MY FIRST 6 MONTHS OR SO.

I WANTED TO DO IT IN MY FIRST 100 DAYS, THAT WAS RIDICULOUS.

I THINK THE BIGGEST THING I WOULD SAY THAT CAME OUT OF THAT ONCE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THE IMPACT OF SOCIAL MEDIA ON STUDENT ATHLETES.

JUST INCREDIBLE.

THE KIDS WOULD SHOW ME A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT WAS BEING DIRECTED AT THEM.

AND, WE ACTUALLY HAVE, ON MANY OF OUR NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIPS, A MONITORING SERVICE TO TRACK TRAFFIC THAT IS BEING DIRECTED AT A STUDENT ATHLETES, COACHES, AND UMPIRES DURING THOSE TOURNAMENTS AND IF WE SEE PEOPLE ENGAGING IN WHAT I WOULD DESCRIBE AS A BRUTAL ACTIVITY, WE NOTIFY THE PLATFORMS AND GET THOSE PEOPLE SHUT OFF >> YOU MEAN LIKE THREATS OR HARASSING THEM IF THEY DON'T MAKE A PLAY THAT THEY WANT?

AN EXAMPLE.

>> THREATS, PEOPLE SAYING THINGS LIKE, AND THIS IS TIED UP , TO SOME EXTENT, WITH SPORTS BETTING, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING I KEPT HEARING ABOUT, WHICH WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT, IF YOU WANT, ALL THE STUFF ABOUT I KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE, I KNOW WHAT DORM YOU ARE IN, I'M GOING TO KILL YOU.

STUFF LIKE THAT.

>> REALLY?

SPORTS BETTING, I GUESS, THERE IS A SPECIFIC WAY WHERE YOU CAN GET ON A SPECIFIC OUTCOME, NOT THE WHOLE GAME ITSELF, NOT THE SCORE BUT A SPECIFIC NUMBER OF --?

>> YOU CAN BET ON A STUDENT ATHLETE, YOU CAN BET ON WHETHER THEY TAKE THE FIRST SHOT, YOU CAN BET ON IF THEY SCORE MORE POINTS THAN THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO WORDS OR LESS POINTS.

IT IS A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.

THANKFULLY, HALF OF THE STATES IN THE COUNTRY DON'T PERMIT PROP BETTING, WHICH IS WHAT BETTING ON AN INDIVIDUAL IS CALLED.

HALF OF THE STATES DON'T PERMIT PROP BETTING ON COLLEGE SPORTS AND COLLEGE ATHLETES.

THE OTHER HALF DO AND WE HAVE BEEN PURSUING A VARIETY OF STRATEGIES TO GET THEM OUT OF THE BUSINESS OF THE PROP BET.

YOU CAN'T REALLY SOLVE THE ISSUE OF SOMEONE BETTING ON WHETHER A TEAM WINS OR LOSES BUT I WOULD LIKE TO TAKE AS MUCH OF THE INDIVIDUAL ATTENTION BEING DIRECTED AT YOUNG PEOPLE, AND ESPECIALLY THE CHALLENGES ASSOCIATED WITH UNDERPERFORMANCE OFF THE TABLE.

I CAN TELL YOU A LOT OF KIDS COME UP TO ME AND SAY THAT THEY ARE GETTING PRESSURED BY THEIR CLASSMATES, THEIR SCHOOLMATES, THEIR FRIENDS TOOL NOT DO WELL IN A GAME OR TO NOT TAKE THE FIRST SHOT OR TWO MISSED THEIR FIRST FREE THROW OR DON'T CATCH THE FIRST PASS, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE BECAUSE THAT IS A WAY THAT A STUDENT ATHLETES CAN HELP THOSE, THEIR FRIENDS IN MANY CASES, MAKE MONEY.

>> SO, MONEY.

WE ARE ON THE SUBJECT OF MONEY.

THAT IS ONE OF THE HUGE CHANGES IN COLLEGE SPORTS IN A VERY RECENT TIME.

WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN RECENT YEARS IS THAT STUDENTS CAN GET PAID FOR THEIR NAME, IMAGE, AND LIKENESS.

YOU SUPPORT THAT.

SAY WHY.

>> I DO.

I THINK A LOOK, IF YOU ARE, THERE ARE A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS YOU CAN DO AS A YOUNG PERSON WHERE YOU CAN GET PAID FOR YOUR NAME, IMAGE, AND LIKENESS.

YOU CAN BE IN FASHION, YOU CAN BE A MUSICIAN, YOU CAN BE A WHOLE BUNCH OF DIFFERENT THINGS AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WILL PAY YOU FOR THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE 3 MILLION FOLLOWERS ON TIKTOK OR YOU HAVE 5 MILLION FOLLOWERS ON INSTAGRAM .

I DON'T SEE ANY REASON WHY STUDENT ATHLETES, WHOSE NAME, IMAGE, AND LIKENESS HAS A LOT TO DO WITH THE SUCCESS OF A LOT OF COLLEGE SPORTS PROGRAMS, AND THIS DATES ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE ED O'BANNON LAWSUIT MANY, MANY YEARS AGO, THEY SHOULD BE REIMBURSED FOR THAT.

I WAS THE FIRST NCAA PRESIDENT TO PUT A PROPOSAL OUT THERE ABOUT HOW WE MIGHT DO THAT, ABOUT SIX MONTHS AFTER I GOT THE JOB.

>> ONE OF THE POINTS THE STUDENTS MADE, ED O'BANNON AND OTHER ATHLETES MEET IS THE INSTITUTIONS MAKE A LOT OF MONEY OFF THEIR NAME, IMAGE, AND LICENSE.

THEY SELL THE JERSEYS, SOME DAYS THEY WILL SIGN THE POSTERS.

COACHES MADE A LOT OF MONEY.

WHY DO YOU THINK THERE WAS SO MUCH RESISTANCE TO THAT IDEA?

>> TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, I DON'T KNOW.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT.

I THINK THAT THE SETTLEMENT WE ARE TRYING TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE NUMBER OF PLAINTIFFS AROUND THESE ISSUES, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR MANY DIVISION I SCHOOLS, WHICH IS REALLY WHERE THE ACTION IS ON THIS, MOST PEOPLE KNOW THAT VISION TO AND DIVISION III SCHOOLS DON'T MAKE MONEY ON SPORTS AND SPORTS IS AN INVESTMENT THE SCHOOLS MAKING THE STUDENTS.

I THINK FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I DO THINK IT IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE KIDS, THE STUDENT ATHLETES TO BENEFIT FROM THEIR NAME, IMAGE, AND LIKENESS AND I'M HOPING WE CAN GET THIS SETTLEMENT APPROVED SO WE CAN PUT IT INTO PRACTICE UNDER A LEGAL FORMAT THAT WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE INJUNCTION WE ARE TRYING TO SEEK.

>> IT WOULD ALLOW THE SCHOOLS TO PAY THEIR ATHLETES DIRECTLY.

>> THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO PURCHASE THEIR STUDENT ATHLETES NAME, IMAGE, AND LIKENESS RIGHTS UP TO 22.5% OF THE ATHLETIC BUDGETS OF THE TOP 60 SCHOOLS, THE POWER SCHOOLS, SO CALLED.

THAT IS ABOUT $20 MILLION PER SCHOOL PER YEAR.

IF YOU ADD IT ALL UP, IT IS PROBABLY ABOUT $1 BILLION IN POTENTIAL NAME, IMAGE, AND LIKENESS REVENUES GOING TO STUDENT ATHLETES.

>> I SAW AN ANALYSIS OF THIS PAST YEAR'S TOP THREE AND 28 EARNERS.

OF THE TOP FIVE IN ALL BUT ONE ARE WHITE, ALL BUT ONE ARE MALE, ALL BUT ONE, FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL.

IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THAT THAT WORRIED YOU?

>> THE BIGGEST PROBLEM I HAVE WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS OUT THERE RIGHT NOW IS YOU CAN'T BELIEVE ANY OF IT.

LITERALLY, YOU CAN'T BELIEVE ANY OF IT.

>> WE DON'T REALLY KNOW?

WE DON'T REALLY KNOW HOW MUCH THEY ARE MAKING?

>> NO ONE KNOWS.

I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING ANYBODY SAYS ABOUT NIL BECAUSE EVERYBODY LIES, OKAY?

ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABOUT -- >> AND IN WHICH DIRECTION, HOW MUCH OR HOW LITTLE THEY ARE GETTING?

IT IS ALWAYS MORE?

MY INSTINCT WOULD BE TO GO THE OTHER WAY BUT THAT IS JUST ME.

BUT, ANYWAY.

I WILL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT.

>> ONE OF THE THINGS ABOUT THE SETTLEMENT THAT IS IMPORTANT, FOR FANS AND I THINK FOR STUDENT ATHLETES AND FAMILIES AND SCHOOLS AND EVERYBODY ELSE, IS WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO HAVE TWO REPORTING SYSTEMS.

THERE WILL BE ONE FOR THE SCHOOL-BASED NIL AND ONE FOR THIRD-PARTY NIL.

EVERY DEAL IS GOING TO HAVE TO GET APPROVED GOING TO THAT SYSTEM.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE WILL HAVE FOR THE FIRST TIME IS THE ABILITY TO AGGREGATE SOME OF THAT DATA AND TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT STUDENT ATHLETES WHO PAY THESE POSITIONS WERE GETTING IN SCHOOL-BASED NIL AND THIS IS WHAT ATHLETES PLAYING THESE POSITIONS ON THE THIRD-PARTY NIL WERE GETTING AND WE WILL FINALLY HAVE REAL ANSWERS TO QUESTIONS LIKE , WHAT ARE THE POSITIONS WHERE PEOPLE SEEM TO GET THE MOST AMOUNT OF MONEY AND WHAT ARE THE SPORTS THEY ARE PLAYING AND HOW MUCH OF THIS IS MEN AND HOW MUCH IS WOMEN?

NO, NOBODY REALLY KNOWS WHAT IS ACTUALLY BEING DONE.

I THINK THAT IS ONE OF THE GREAT TRAGEDIES OF THE CURRENT SYSTEM, THE FACT THAT THERE ARE NO RULES MEANS STUDENT ATHLETES LITERALLY DON'T KNOW WHO TO BELIEVE ABOUT MUCH OF ANYTHING, WHICH IS A SHAME >> AND TAKE YOUR POINT BUT ANOTHER MAJOR SHIFT THAT WE DO KNOW ABOUT IS THE NCAA, IT HAS BEEN ANNOUNCED, WOULD NOT DIRECTLY OVERSEE THESE NEW PAYROLLS.

THE BIG DIVISION I SCHOOLS THAT ARE UNDERSTOOD TO BE WITH THE MOST REVENUE IS, THEY TEND TO BE THE PIPELINE TO THE PROFESSIONAL LEAGUES, THEY WOULD TAKE ON ENFORCEMENT THROUGH THIS NEW BODY CALLED THE COLLEGE SPORTS COMMISSION.

TELL ME ABOUT THAT.

WHY DO YOU SUPPORT THIS CHANGE THAT WOULD SEEM TO DIMINISH THE ROLE OF THE NCAA IN SETTING RULES, CAN YOU SAY MORE ABOUT THAT?

>> KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS THING IS PART OF A SETTLEMENT.

THE NCAA MOTHER POWER CONFERENCES, THE FIVE POWER CONFERENCES, SEC, PAC-12, BECAUSE IT WAS TO OF THE GROUP THEN, THE BIG TEN, THE BIG 12, AND THE ACC.

THAT IS WHO THE PLAINTIFFS SUED, OKAY?

THEY SUED THE NCAA AND THOSE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THAT IS WHO THEY FELT WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT THEY CONSIDERED TO BE THIS INJUSTICE THAT NEEDED TO BE RIGHTED.

IN THE END, WHAT THEY WANTED WAS FOR THE NCAA TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR BACK DAMAGES TO WHICH AND OUR MEMBERS, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO PAY $2.86 BILLION TO HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF FORMER STUDENT ATHLETES UNDER THIS NEGOTIATION, 285 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS, AND THEY WANTED THE POWER SCHOOLS OWN THE OBLIGATION AND RESPONSIBILITY FOR SETTING UP AND RUNNING THE NEW SYSTEM SO THAT THEY COULD KEEP AN EYE ON IT, THE PLAINTIFFS COULD KEEP AN EYE ON IT AND A SPECIAL MASTER FROM THE COURT COULD KEEP AN EYE ON IT TO MAKE SURE IT WAS BEING IMPLEMENTED THE WAY IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE.

THE NCAA WRITES THE BYLAWS, WHICH THE MEMBERSHIP ADOPTS.

THIS IS A FEDERAL LAW, WHICH IF IT GETS APPROVED, WILL SIT INSIDE AN INJUNCTION.

UNDER THOSE SETS OF RULES, THE PLAINTIFFS WANTED THE POWER SCHOOLS TO BE FUNDAMENTALLY AND DIRECTLY ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH OVERSEEING AND MANAGING AND ENFORCING.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, THE THING ABOUT ABOUT THIS THAT I LIKE IS I DO BELIEVE THAT THE END OF THE DAY, AND THE COURTS DID AS WELL AND SO DID THE PLAINTIFFS, THAT A LOT OF THE ACTIVITY ASSOCIATED WITH THIS NIL PROCESS IS GOING TO COME FROM THOSE SCHOOLS, AND THEREFORE THOSE ARE THE SCHOOLS THAT THE COURTS BELIEVE AND PLAINTIFFS BELIEVED NEEDED TO BE FUNDAMENTALLY HELD MOST ACCOUNTABLE TO THE HIGHEST LEVEL, WITH RESPECT TO COMPLIANCE.

>> THEY WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE MONEY.

WHAT I'M ASKING YOU IS WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER PIECE, THE MEDICAL WELL-BEING, EMOTIONAL WELL-BEING?

>> THAT STUFF STILL BELONGS TO THE NCAA.

THE ONLY WAY TO TALK ABOUT THIS, THE MONEY PIECE WILL BE LONG INSIDE THE COURT FRAMEWORK, OVERSEEN BY THE COURTS, MONITORED BY THE PLAINTIFFS, MANAGED BY THE SO- CALLED POWER SCHOOLS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.

THE OTHER STUFF, SPORTS BETTING, PLAYING RULES, HEALTH AND WELL-BEING, ALL OF THAT STUFF WILL STILL BELONG TO US ON THE NCAA SIDE, WHICH, LOOK, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THIS DISTRIBUTION.

MOSTLY, I WANT TO CREATE A SYSTEM THAT HAS SOME DEGREE OF ACCOUNTABILITY AND PROCESS TRANSPARENCY FOR YOUNG PEOPLE.

A LOT OF WHAT IS GOING ON IS MISREPRESENTATION, FALSE PROMISES, AND A WHOLE BUNCH OF NOT GOOD THINGS.

BECAUSE THERE IS NO DATA, RIGHT, BECAUSE THE SCHOOLS AREN'T IN THIS SPOT, THAT DON'T REALLY HAVE A RULE CURRENTLY, ABOUT A THIRD OF THE KIDS THAT GO IN THE TRANSFER PORTAL, MOST OF THEM GO THERE BECAUSE SOME THIRD PARTY TOLD THEM THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY, WE CAN'T FIND THEM.

THAT IS A BIG NUMBER OF KIDS.

>> DO YOU THINK IT IS ANY WORSE NOW THAN WHEN THERE WAS MONEY UNDER THE TABLE BEFORE?

NOT FOR EVERY SPORT AND NOT FOR EVERY SCHOOL BUT THERE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH COURT CASES, THERE HAVE BEEN ENOUGH PROSECUTIONS TO KNOW.

>> THERE IS MORE MONEY INVOLVED NOW AND THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE REPRESENTING STUDENT ATHLETES WHO ARE CHARGING RIDICULOUS FEES FOR THE HONOR OF REPRESENTING THEM AND I THINK, AGAIN, BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE TO ANYBODY, AND THERE IS VERY LITTLE PROCESS TRANSPARENCY AT ALL, I THINK YOU HAVE AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE IT IS VERY HARD FOR A MOM AND A DAD OR A YOUNG PERSON TO KNOW WHAT IS TRUE AND I DO THINK THE SETTLEMENT, IF WE CAN GET IT APPROVED, WILL CREATE ENOUGH PROCESS TRANSPARENCY INSIDE OF THE INJUNCTION WITH A FEDERAL JUDGE LOOKING OVER IT AND THE PLAINTIFFS PENDING PAINT LAWYERS TO PAY A LOT OF ATTENTION TO IT, I THINK THAT WILL CREATE A SYSTEM THAT IS A LOT LESS LIKELY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF PEOPLE.

>> DO YOU SEE THE TRANSFER, THIS FRENETIC TRANSFER ACTIVITY, TO BE PART OF THAT AS WELL?

ONE DATA POINT, THE ""THE WASHINGTON POST"" CRUNCHED THE NUMBERS DURING MARCH MADNESS, THE NCAA BASKETBALL TOURNAMENT EARLIER THIS YEAR, SAID 53% OF THE MEN IN THE CONFERENCE, THE TOP CONFERENCE PLAYERS AND 40% OF THE WOMEN HAD ALL PLAYED FOR MORE THAN ONE SCHOOL.

PEOPLE LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT WAYS AND SAY COACHES LEAVE, COACHES QUIT JOBS AND GO TO OTHER JOBS.

FOR A STUDENT, IF YOU HAVE EVER TRANSFERRED SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW THAT IT CAN BE HARD TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER, TO FIND YOUR PEOPLE, TO HAVE A QUALITY COLLEGE EXPERIENCE.

WHAT IS YOUR OPINION OF IT?

DO YOU FEEL THE LEVELS OF TRANSFERS WE ARE SEEKING IS HEALTHY AND PRODUCTIVE OR DO YOU FEEL SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DIFFERENT?

>> THE NUMBER OF COLLEGE KIDS, ACCORDING TO FEDERAL DATA, TRANSFER AT LEAST ONCE IF THEY GO TO FOUR-YEAR INSTITUTIONS, IS LIKE A THIRD.

WHEN YOU AND I WERE IN SCHOOL, NO ONE TRANSFERRED.

I THINK THAT IS IN PART BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ACCESS TO THE INFORMATION THAT THESE KIDS HAVE NOW.

THEY CAN LEARN ANYTHING THEY WANT TO KNOW ABOUT ANY SCHOOL IN AN HOUR JUST BY GETTING ON THEIR PHONE.

I THINK YOUR POINT ABOUT COACHES, THERE WERE 50 MEN'S BASKETBALL COACHES WHO TRANSFERRED, WHO CHANGED JOBS BETWEEN THE START OF MARCH MADNESS AND THE END OF MARCH MADNESS THIS PAST SPRING.

WHEN THAT MANY COACHES ARE MOVING AROUND, THERE IS NO QUESTION THAT IS GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT ON HOW MANY STUDENT ATHLETES MOVE AROUND.

I DO THINK PUTTING THIS MORE DIRECTLY BETWEEN SCHOOLS AND STUDENT ATHLETES WHERE SCHOOLS CAN TALK ABOUT ACADEMIC PLANS, DEVELOPMENT PLANS, AND ATHLETIC PLANS PROBABLY MEANS THAT KIDS WILL BE A LITTLE STICKIER WITH RESPECT TO WHERE THEY STAY BECAUSE THEY WILL SEE A PATH FORWARD THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THEM.

I ALSO THINK THAT, I DO THINK THAT THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE ON THIS ONE IS GOING TO BE SOME DEGREE OF TRANSPARENCY AROUND WHAT IS REAL AND WHAT IS NOT.

AS I SAID, A THIRD OF THOSE KIDS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TO END UP IN THE PORTAL IN THAT STORY IN THE POST, WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO FIND THEM, HAVING LANDED SOMEWHERE FOR NEXT YEAR.

THAT IS A PROBLEM.

THAT, TO ME, IS LIKE A CRISIS.

THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS I'M HOPING THE SETTLEMENT CAN HELP US DEAL WITH.

>> CHARLIE BAKER, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR SPEAKING WITH US.

>> IT IS NICE TO BE WITH YOU.