JOHN: TONIGHT ON "PBS NEWS WEEKEND," ON PAPER, THEY SEEM LIKE IDEAL JOB CANDIDATES, BUT IN REALITY, THEY'RE NORTH KOREAN OPERATIVES.

COMPLEX TECH SCAMS ARE INFILTRATING THE AMERICAN WORKPLACE AND HELPING FUND NORTH KOREAN WEAPONS PROGRAMS.

THEN WITH THE NATION'S 250 BIRTHDAY A YEAR AWAY, CELEBRATIONS HAVE BEGUN.

WE LOOK AT THE INNOVATIONS THAT HAVE SHAPED AMERICA AND WHERE THE COUNTRY GOES NEXT.

>> THERE WAS NO TIME AT WHICH WE STOPPED INNOVATING AND CHANGING, AND WE HAVE TO GO AND USE THOSE EXAMPLES TO HELP US IN A CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO AS CITIZENS TO DO BETTER.

JOHN: AND, WHAT'S BEHIND THE BOOM IN SECONDHAND SHOPPING, AS MORE AMERICANS TURN TO THRIFTING.

JOHN: GOOD EVENING.

I'M JOHN YANG.

ACROSS THE HILL COUNTRY OF CENTRAL TEXAS TODAY, RESCUE WORKERS ARE URGENTLY SEARCHING FOR THE MISSING AFTER A WALL OF WATER RUSHED THROUGH AN AREA KNOWN AS FLASH FLOOD ALLEY IN THE EARLY MORNING HOURS OF JULY FOURTH.

AT LEAST 27 PEOPLE ARE DEAD.

- - AT LEAST 32 PEOPLE ARE DEAD.

STILL UNACCOUNTED FOR ARE 27 CHILDREN WHO WERE ATTENDING A CHRISTIAN SUMMER CAMP ON THE GUADALUPE RIVER.

OFFICIALS SAY IT'S UNCLEAR HOW MANY ARE MISSING FROM OTHER LOCATIONS.

ALI ROGIN HAS OUR REPORT.

ALI: MONTHS WORTH OF TORRENTIAL RAIN FELL IN JUST A FEW HOURS IN KERR COUNTY -- LEAVING HOUSES AND TREES SUBMERGED IN THE FLOODWATERS.

NEARBY, THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE TRACKED THE GUADALUPE RIVER AS IT SWELLED 22 FEET IN 2 HOURS AT 29.5 FEET, THE GAUGE FAILED.

THE RUSHING WATERS DUMPED DEBRIS ON ROADS -- WHICH MADE IT HARD FOR EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO GET THROUGH.

CREWS WORKED OVERNIGHT TO LOCATE PEOPLE WHO WERE STILL UNACCOUNTED FOR.

>> PEOPLE WERE SCREAMING.

ALI: OTHERS LIKE YOUNG CAMPER PIERS BOYETT WERE LEFT TO THEIR OWN DEVICES TO ESCAPE THE FAST MOVING WATERS.

>> THE FLOOD STARTED GETTING BIGGER AND IT WAS GOING UP TO, WE HAVE BUNK BEDS IN OUR CABINS AND IT WAS GOING TO THE TOP BUNK AND, UM, WE HAD ONE CHOICE AND WE HAD TO SWIM OUT OF OUR CABINS.

ALI: A NUMBER OF YOUTH CAMPS DOT THE AREA -- INCLUDING CAMP MYSTIC, AN ALL GIRLS CHRISTIAN SUMMER CAMP ALONG THE RIVER.

SEARCHERS USED HELICOPTERS TO RESCUE SURVIVORS THERE, BUT MORE THAN TWO DOZEN OF ITS CAMPERS ARE STILL MISSING.

AT ANOTHER CAMP, HEART O' THE HILLS, THE DIRECTOR JANE RAGSDALE DIED IN THE FLOODING.

OFFICIALS IN TEXAS VOWED TO KEEP ON SEARCHING.

>> WE WILL NOT STOP TILL EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS FOUND.

WE'VE GOT ALL THE RESOURCES WE NEED.

WE ARE HERE FOR THE LONG HAUL.

ALI: FOR NOW, CENTRAL TEXAS REMAINS UNDER A FLOOD WATCH AS MORE RAIN IS FORECAST TONIGHT.

JOHN: THE CAROLINAS ARE ALSO BRACING FOR POTENTIAL FLASH FLOODING AS TROPICAL STORM CHANTAL APPROACHES THE COASTLINE.

THE NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER PREDICTS THE STORM WILL PRODUCE MODERATE TO HEAVY RAINFALL, POSSIBLY TRIGGERING FLOODING, ESPECIALLY IN URBAN AREAS.

OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL DAYS, YOU WILL LIFE-THREATENING SURF AND RIP CURRENTS ARE EXPECTED FROM NORTH FLORIDA UP TO THE MID-ATLANTIC STATES.

IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA, DANGEROUSLY DRY CONDITIONS HAVE FUELED THE "MADRE FIRE."

THE WILDFIRE HAS CHARRED NEARLY 80,000 ACRES.

IT IS NEAR LOS PADRES NATIONAL FOREST IN SAN LUIS OBISPO COUNTY.

THE MASSIVE BLAZE IS THE LARGEST IN THE STATE SO FAR.

AND IS ONLY 10% CONTAINED.

THE CAUSE OF THE FIRE IS UNDER INVESTIGATION.

AND ELON MUSK SAYS HE'S FORMED A NEW U.S.

POLITICAL PARTY.

THE WORLD'S RICHEST MAN SAYS BOTH REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS ARE BANKRUPTING THE COUNTRY.

HE SAID, "TODAY, THE AMERICA PARTY IS FORMED TO GIVE YOU BACK YOUR FREEDOM."

JUST YESTERDAY, PRESIDENT TRUMP SIGNED HIS SIGNATURE TAX AND SPENDING CUT BILL.

MUSK OPPOSED IT BECAUSE IT'S PROJECTED TO ADD TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO THE NATIONAL DEBT.

STILL TO COME, 250 YEARS OF AMERICAN INNOVATION.

WHAT WE HAVE ACCOMPLISHED AND WHERE WE ARE HEADING.

MORE AMERICANS ARE TURNING TO DRIFTING AS UNCERTAINTY LOOMS.

- - THRIFTING AS UNCERTAINTY LOOMS.

JOHN: THIS WEEK, FEDERAL PROSECUTORS CHARGED FOUR NORTH KOREAN NATIONALS WITH SCHEMING TO GET HIRED BY U.S. COMPANIES AS REMOTE WORKERS AND THEN STEEL BILLIONS IN CRYPTOCURRENCY.

PERATIVES USING FAKE IDS AND CREDENTIALS TO INFILTRATE AMERICAN BUSINESSES.

OUR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER EXPLAINED HOW AND WHY THEY ARE DOING IT IN A WIRED MAGAZINE ARTICLE HEADLINED, "NORTH KOREA STOLE YOUR JOB."

IT IS MORE THAN JOBS THEY ARE AFTER.

WHY ARE THEY DOING THIS?

BOBBIE: SO THE REASON FOR THIS SCAM IS REALLY TO EARN MONEY FROM WELL-COMPENSATED JOBS IN THE U.S. AND IN THE WEST AND SEND IT STRAIGHT BACK TO KIM JONG-UN AND HIS REGIME TO FUND VARIOUS THINGS FROM THE NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM TO HIS PERSONAL SLUSH FUND AND OTHER GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS.

NORTH KOREA IS REALLY UNDER PRESSURE BECAUSE OF SANCTIONS, SO THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY THROUGH NORMAL MEANS, BUT REALLY THEY ALSO ACCESS COMPUTER SYSTEMS, STEAL DATA, POTENTIALLY PLANT MALWARE OR OTHER DANGEROUS SOFTWARE SO THAT THEY CAN IN THE FUTURE DO RANSOMWARE ATTACKS AS WE HAVE SEEN IN THE PAST.

JOHN: AND WHAT KIND OF JOBS ARE WE TALKING ABOUT AND WHAT KIND OF COMPANIES?

BOBBIE: AS WE ALL SAW FROM THE PANDEMIC, A LOT OF JOBS WENT REMOTE, BUT ONE OF THE WIDEST RANGING IS SOFTWARE ENGINEERING.

AND SO THIS IS A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ARE VERY USED TO OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME FOR HIRING REMOTE WORKERS WHO GET THE JOB DONE.

THEY'RE CODING WEBSITES, THEY'RE BUILDING APPS, THEY'RE MAKING KIND OF ALL, DOING ALL THE IT AND TECHNICAL STUFF.

AND SO THESE ARE REALLY THE TARGET JOBS FOR THESE OPERATIVES.

[18.9S] - - OPERATIVES.

JOHN: IN JOB INTERVIEWS, HOW DO THESE GUYS DISGUISE WHO THEY REALLY ARE AND WHERE THEY REALLY ARE?

BOBBIE: YEAH, SO WE'LL, WEW'LL O THROUGH THE SCAM A LITTLE BIT.

SO WHAT THEY DO IS FIRST OF ALL, THEY STEAL AN IDENTITY.

SO THEY GET HOLD OF SOMEONE'S ID, THEIR PERSONAL DETAILS, THEIR SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER, AND THEY MAKE A RESUME UP THAT SAYS, YOU KNOW, THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THIS.

THEY KNOW HOW TO DO THAT.

THEY KNOW TO CODE WEBSITES, WHATEVER IT IS THAT THE JOBS ARE ACQUIRING.

THEY'LL THEN GET ON TO AN INTERVIEW, UH, TALKING OVER A VIDEO LIKE THIS.

THEY WILL USE ALL MANNER OF TOOLS AT THEIR DISPOSAL TO TRY AND PASS THE INTERVIEW.

THEY WILL HAVE AN AI THAT GENERATES A SCRIPT FOR THEM.

SO THE INTERVIEWER ASKS THE QUESTION, THE AI IS LISTENING.

IT WILL CREATE A SCRIPT THAT THE PERSON CAN THEN READ BACK AND SOUND RELATIVELY FLUENT OR KNOWLEDGEABLE.

UM, AND PARTICULARLY HELP THEM GET OVER THEIR DIFFICULTIES WITH ENGLISH BECAUSE THESE NORTH KOREAN OPERATIVES, ALTHOUGH THEY HAVE BEEN TRAINED.

[16:11:50]THEY ARE NOT NATIVE ENGLISH SPEAKERS AND THEY'RE KIND OF WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE.

SO THEY'RE TRYING TO PRETEND, BUT THEY'LL ALSO DO STUFF LIKE IF THEY'RE ASKED TO DO SOFTWARE TESTS OR CODING TESTS, THEY'LL USE AI OR PROGRAMMATIC TOOLS TO KIND OF CHEAT THOSE TESTS AND LOOK LIKE THEY'RE BETTER THAN THEY ARE AND THEN WHEN THEY GET THE JOB.

THAT'S WHEN THINGS GET EVEN MORE COMPLICATED AND THEY HAVE TO BRING IN OTHER PEOPLE TO HELP THEM SUCCEED.

JOHN: WILL YOU.

- - AND HELP.

THEY NEED HELP ON THE STATE SIDE, DON'T THEY?

THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF FEDERAL FORMS THAT HAVE TO BE FILLED OUT AND SIGNED.

BOBBIE: SO THEY'RE BASED USUALLY IN CHINA OR RUSSIA.

AND THEY ARE.

KIND OF DIALING IN REMOTELY TO THESE JOBS.

BUT THAT'S A REAL RED FLAG FOR FOLKS, RIGHT?

SO WHAT THEY DO INSTEAD IS THEY KIND OF HAVE A MIDDLEMAN WHO'S BASED IN THE US, MAYBE SOMEWHERE LIKE ARIZONA OR MINNESOTA OR ILLINOIS.

AND THEY'RE JUST IN AN ORDINARY HOME.

BUT WHAT THEY IS THEY KINDA ACT AS THE POINT PERSON.

AND SO.

- - AND SO, THEY WILL BE FILLING OUT THE FORMS, THEY'LL BE OPENING OR HOLDING BANK ACCOUNTS HAT MONIES ARE BEING PAID INTO THAT THEY CAN THEN DISPERSE BACK TO THE NORTH KOREANS.

AND CRUCIALLY, WHAT THEY DO IS THEY HOST WHAT'S KNOWN AS A LAPTOP FARM.

SO WHEN AN EMPLOYER BRINGS SOMEONE ON, THEY SEND THEM A COMPUTER, YOU KNOW, HERE'S YOUR COMPUTER TO DO YOUR WORK ON.

WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT THAT COMPUTER GETS SENT TO THE MIDDLEMAN.

NOT TO THE NORTH KOREAN, GET SENT TO THE MIDDLE MAN, SET UP IN THEIR HOME WHERE IT'S, THEY INSTALL TOOLS THAT ALLOW THE NORTH KOREA TO DIAL IN FROM CHINA OR RUSSIA INTO THAT LAPTOP AND THEN KIND OF LEAPFROG AND PIGGYBACK ITS WAY TO THE COMPANY'S COMPUTER NETWORK SO THAT IT NEVER APPEARS THAT THEY'RE DIALING IN FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTRY.

JOHN: HOW BIG A PROBLEM IS THIS, AND HOW LONG HAS IT BEEN GOING ON?

BOBBIE: THE SIZE AND SCALE OF THIS IS REALLY ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT IS HARDEST TO ANSWER.

THERE ARE UP TO A DOZEN CASES MAKING THEIR WAY THROUGH THE U.S. COURTS AT THE MOMENT.

BUT THOSE CASES ARE LINKED TO MAY BE OR AND THAT'S JUST THE HUNDREDS.

TIP OF THE ICEBERG.

SO THERE COULD BE MANY MORE.

JOHN: THESE AMERICAN HELPERS THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, HOW DO THEY GET INVOLVED AND HOW ARE THEY RECRUITED?

BOBBIE: SO THEY GET A MESSAGE ON LINKEDIN OR ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR AN EMAIL TO THEM THAT ASKS THEM, SOMEBODY POSING AS A FOREIGN COMPANY, WHO NEED SOME HELP.

IT IS UNCLEAR THAT AT THE BEGINNING, THE FACILITATORS KNOW THAT THEY'RE REALLY TAKING PART IN THE CRIMINAL BUT BY THE TIME .

THEY ARE OPERATING MAYBE 50, 60 LAPTOPS FROM THEIR HOME AND THEY'RE ALLOWING PEOPLE TO DIAL IN AND THEY ARE SENDING MONEY TO CHINA, IT'S VERY CLEAR THAT THEY ARE DEEP IN THE CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY.

JOHN: BOBBIE JOHNSON, FREELANCE INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

THIS WEEK PRESIDENT TRUMP WENT TO IOWA.

IN AMERICA'S HEARTLAND TO START THE COUNTDOWN.

TO THE NATION'S 250TH INDEPENDENCE DAY NEXT YEAR.

TO MARK THE ANNIVERSARY, THE NON-PARTISAN CENTER FOR THE STUDY OF THE PRESIDENCY AND CONGRESS IS LOOKING AT 250 YEARS OF U.S.

INNOVATION.

EARLIER I SPOKE WITH GLENN NYE, THE CENTER'S PRESIDENT AND CEO.

>> WE REALLY WANTED TO ROUTE OUR WORK ON THIS IDEA THAT THE ART OF THE AMERICAN STORY OF THE FIRST TWO HUNDRED 50 YEARS REALLY IS A STORY OF INNOVATION AND RENEWAL.

THE COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON SOMEWHAT INNOVATIVE PRINCIPLES AT THE TIME, BUT THEY KNEW THEY WANTED TO CREATE A MORE PERFECT UNION, A UNION THAT WOULD GET BETTER AND BETTER OVER TIME AS WE REFRESH, REVISIT, AND INNOVATE ON THOSE FOUNDING MOMENTS.

JOHN: WHAT SORTS OF INNOVATIONS ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

>> WE ARE FOCUSED ON, ONE, SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY, AND THE OTHER IN DEMOCRACY.

WHAT WE WANTED TO START WITH, FIRST, WE CREATED A SET OF MODULES CALLED LIFE IN 1776, WHICH IS FEATURED ON OUR WEBSITE.

ALL THESE ASPECTS OF REGULAR LIFE BACK IN 1776 THAT HELP US AROUND THE BEGINNING, BUT THAT WE WANTED TO LOOK AT THE ART OF THE 250 YEARS SINCE AND LOOK AT INNOVATION AND SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGY.

WE STARTED LOOKING AT EVERYTHING FROM BENJAMIN FRANKLIN'S BIFOCALS TO ASSEMBLY LINES AND INTERCHANGEABLE PARTS, ALL THE WAY THROUGH TO MODERN TECHNOLOGIES, CELL PHONES, GENETIC SEQUENCING AND CHATGTP, AND WE CREATED A VISUAL TIMELINE ON A WEBSITE WHERE AMERICANS CAN GO AND REFLECT ON HOW INNOVATIONS HAVE BUILT ON EACH OTHER OVER TIME.

SOON, WE ARE GOING TO RELEASE A NEW TIMELINE, WHICH IS GOING TO INCLUDE INNOVATION AND DEMOCRACY.

SO TAKING THE STARTING POINT BACK FROM THE CONSTITUTION AND THE INSPIRATION OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS, ALL THE WAY THROUGH THOSE CHANGES OVER TIME, WHICH IS LIKE THE INCREASE IN THE VOTING RIGHTS AND SOME OTHERS THAT ARE BETTER KNOWN.

BUT ALSO SOMETHING'S NOT WELL KNOWN, LIKE POLITICAL PRIMARIES AND PARTISAN PRIMARIES, UP TO RECENT INNOVATIONS, WHERE AMERICAN STATES ARE FIGURING OUT HOW TO REPLACE PRIMARIES WITH WHERE THEY ARE OPEN TO ALL VOTERS IN THE EFFORT TO INNOVATE AND MAKE OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM LESS DYSFUNCTIONAL AND MORE REPRESENTATIVE.

JOHN: ARE THERE WAYS THAT THE AMERICAN CHARACTER, THE COUNTRY AND THE PEOPLE, HAVE AFFECTED OR SHAPE THE INNOVATIONS AND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF INNOVATIONS, SHAPE THE AMERICAN CHARACTER?

>> I THINK WHAT ONE WILL GET OUT OF LOOKING AT A REFLECTIVE TIME LINES ON INNOVATION IS THIS NOTION THAT AMERICA IS PRETTY SPECIAL IN MANY WAYS, AND I THINK WHAT IS REALLY INTERESTING ABOUT THE UNITED STATES IS WE HAVE MADE INVESTMENTS THAT HAVE BENEFITED US GREATLY IN EDUCATION AND ACCESS TO INFORMATION.

ALSO, A CULTURE THAT PROMOTES RISK-TAKING AND ALLOWS FOR INNOVATION TO BE REWARDED, WHETHER IT IS JUST A LIBERATOR THE COMMUNITY.

JOHN: THE U.S. IS A WORK IN PROGRESS?

>> IT IS, BUT ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT LESSONS WE HOPE AMERICANS CAN TAKE AWAY IS WHEN WE LOOK BACK ON THE TIMELINE OF IMPROVEMENT INNOVATION, NOT SIMPLY TO ACCEPT THE GREATNESS OF THE THINGS THAT WERE DONE BY OUR FORBEARERS AND THOSE WHO HAVE CREATED INNOVATIONS OVER THE 250 YEAR ARC, BUT TAKE THAT AS A CHALLENGE TO OURSELVES TO MODERN AMERICAN CITIZENS, TO LOOK BACK AND LOOK BACK AT THE AMAZING INNOVATIONS THAT CAME BEFORE US AND CHARGE OURSELVES WITH THE RESPONSIBILITY TO TAKE THE PROJECT FORWARD, TO USE THAT AS INSPIRATION, TO CONTINUE THAT SERIES OF INNOVATIONS SUCH THAT THE UNITED STATES COULD EARN ANOTHER AMAZING 250 YEARS TO THE STORY.

JOHN: THE LAST BIG STORY IS THE BICENTENNIAL.

YOU TALK ABOUT RENEWAL THAT CAME ON THE HEELS OF WATERGATE, A STRESS TEST FOR AMERICAN DEMOCRACY.

HOW WOULD YOU ASSESS THE STATE OF AMERICAN DEMOCRACY AS WE APPROACH THE 250 YEAR MARK?

>> STRESS TEST IS A WORD THAT APPLIED IN THE 1976 ERA, AND IT IS DEFINITELY A WORD THAT APPLIES NOW.

THERE IS A LOT OF ANXIETY AND CONSERVATION OVER WHERE, PARTICULARLY IN THE ARK OF DEMOCRACY THAT HAS BROUGHT US AND WHERE IT IS GOING.

I THINK THERE IS GOOD REASON FOR CONCERN AND A LOT OF CONSTERNATION IN CONVERSATION ABOUT WHERE WE SHOULD GO FROM HERE, BUT IT IS OUR SINCERE HOPE THAT THE CONSTERNATION IS AT THE END OF THE STORY HERE.

WE DON'T WANT OUR STORY TO END AND STAGNATE AT 250TH YEAR OF THE STORY.

WE WOULD LIKE TO TAKE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT THE CONSTERNATION'S AND VISIT WITH EACH OTHER ABOUT WHERE WE CAN IMPROVE.

ALSO, IT IS IMPORTANT THE SELECTION OVER TIME IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY THAT REMINDS US THAT CHANGE IS A REGULAR PART OF THE HISTORY OF THIS COUNTRY.

THERE WAS NO TIME IN WHICH WE STOPPED INNOVATING CHANGE.

AND WE HAVE TO GO AND USE THOSE EXAMPLES TO HELP US IN A CONVERSATION TODAY ABOUT WHAT WE CAN DO AS CITIZENS TO DO BETTER.

AND THE GOOD NEWS IS THERE ARE ALL SORTS OF ACTIVITIES BEING TRIED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

SCIENCE AND TECHNOLOGICAL INNOVATIONS ARE HAPPENING ALL THE TIME, BUT ALSO INNOVATIONS IN DEMOCRACY.

IT IS ON US AS CITIZENS TO SAY, OK, THINGS MAY NOT BE PERFECT, BUT CAN WE AS A COUNTRY PULL OURSELVES TOGETHER AS WE HAVE IN THE PAST AND MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND TRY TO KEEP THAT ARC OF INNOVATION GOING?

THE REALITY IS, WE ABSOLUTELY CAN, AS LONG AS WE TAKE THE RESPONSIBILITY AS CITIZENS TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

JOHN: THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

PLEASURE BEING WITH YOU.

♪ OHN: THE THRIFTING ECONOMY IS BOOMING.

WHILE THRIFT SHOPS, ANTIQUE STORES AND CONSIGNMENT BOUTIQUES ARE NOTHING NEW, THEY'RE BECOMING MORE POPULAR AS SHOPPERS DEAL WITH THE RISING COST OF LIVING, WANT TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT, AND EVEN IN SOME CASES EARN A LIVING AS RESELLERS.

SECONDHAND CLOTHING IS A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR GLOBAL INDUSTRY AND IT'S PROJECTED TO GROW ABOUT THREE TIMES FASTER THAN THE OVERALL APPAREL MARKET.

ALI ROGIN IS BACK WITH THRIFTERS FROM ACROSS THE COUNTRY EXPLAINING WHY THEY DO IT.

ALI: JOHN, WHETHER IT'S OUT OF PASSION FOR PRE-LOVED GEMS OR A DESIRE TO SAVE MONEY OR SHOP SUSTAINABLY, THERE ARE MANY REASONS WHY PEOPLE ARE TURNING TO SECONDHAND SHOPPING, AND IN SOME CASES, SHARING THEIR TIPS AND TRICKS WITH OTHERS.

MACY: MY NAME IS MACY ELENI AND I AM A CONTENT CREATOR AND AUTHOR BASED IN LOS ANGELES.

UGOCHI: HI, MY NAME IS UGOCHI NWANERI AND I AM A VINTAGE AND THRIFT STYLIST.

HELENA: MY NAME IS HELENA KIM AND I AM A CONTENT CREATOR FOCUSING ON THRIFT FLIPS AND RESTORATION.

EMILY: MY NAME IS EMILY STOCHL AND I AM THE CREATOR OF PRE-LOVED.

MACY: I GREW UP IN OHIO RAISED BY A SINGLE MOM AND THE THRIFT STORE WAS REALLY THE ONLY PLACE I HAD TO GO EXPRESS MYSELF.

HELENA: I STARTED THRIFTING AS A KID OUT OF A NECESSITY.

IT WAS AN AFFORDABLE OPTION FOR MY FAMILY AND I BACK THEN.

UGOCHI: I DO BELIEVE THAT ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY DOES PLAY A HUGE ROLE.

I CAN SPEAK TO THAT FROM MY OWN PERSONAL EXPERIENCE BEING A LIFELONG THRIFTER.

EMILY: WHEN THERE IS A STATE OF UNCERTAINTY, PARTICULARLY ECONOMIC UNCERTAINTY, PEOPLE ARE MAYBE WORRIED ABOUT COST OF LIVING OR POLICIES LIKE THE TARIFFS.

THEY MIGHT CHOOSE TO SHOP SECONDHAND.

MACY: YOU KNOW, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE, ESPECIALLY IN THIS COUNTRY, LIKE WERE KIND OF RAISED THINKING LIKE NEW AND YOUNG EQUALS BETTER AND OLD AND USED EQUALS BAD BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE AT ALL AND WE SHOULD BE REUSING THESE RESOURCES.

HELENA: YES, YOU CAN RESTORE SOMETHING.

YOU CAN TAKE THAT SWEATER WITH THE HOLE IN IT AND TURN IT INTO SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD ACTUALLY CHERISH AND WEAR.

UGOCHI: GIVE THRIFTING A CHANCE BECAUSE YOU JUST NEVER KNOW WHAT YOU MAY FIND AND WHO DOESN'T LOVE SAVING MONEY AND FINDING QUALITY ITEMS FOR HALF THE PRICE ?

MACY: I HEAR MESSAGES FROM PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THESE SITUATIONS AND MAYBE WEREN'T IN THE PAST AND NOW NEED TO LEARN HOW TO THRIFT THEIR CLOTHES AND SHOP SECONDHAND.

SO I AM HAPPY TO BE HERE TO HOLD THEIR HAND AND SHIMMY WITH THEM ALONG THE WAY.

ALI: I'M JOINED NOW BY MANISH CHANDRA, THE FOUNDER AND CEO OF POSHMARK, AN ONLINE FASHION RESALE MARKETPLACE.

THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BEING HERE.

WE HEARD IN THIS CLIP HOW SOME SHOPPERS SAY THAT THEY BEGAN THRIFTING OUT OF ECONOMIC NECESSITY, BUT IT'S REALLY BECOME A PASSION, AND IN SOME CASES EVEN A BUSINESS.

WHAT BRINGS SHOPPERS AND SELLERS TO THE POSHMARK PLATFORM?

ANISH: WELL IF YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT WE ALL HAVE IS, WE ALL HAVE A CLOSET.

AND LITERALLY EVERYONE IN AMERICA HAS A CLOSET THAT HAS SOME SPARE CLOTHES THAT THEY DON'T NEED.

AND THERE'S ALWAYS SOMEONE WHO'S LOOKING FOR IT.

SO WHEN YOU COMBINE THESE TWO THINGS, POSHMARK OFFERS A WAY TO BOTH SHOP AND SELL RIGHT FROM YOUR CLOSET.

ALI: WE'VE BEEN TALKING A LOT ABOUT THRIFTING, PEOPLE LOOKING FOR WAYS TO SAVE MONEY IN THE CONTEXT OF THESE RECENT ECONOMIC CONDITIONS, BUT OF COURSE THRIFTING RESALE CLOTHING HAS BEEN RISING IN POPULARITY FOR YEARS.

TO WHAT DO YOU ATTRIBUTE THIS GRADUAL RISE WELL BEFORE THIS CURRENT ECONOMIC ENVIRONMENT?

MANISH: I THINK THERE'S THREE TRENDS SHAPING THE RISE OF RESALE.

FIRST IS, I THINK WHEN MOBILE AND OUR IPHONE AND ANDROID PHONES STARTED TO SORT OF RISE, THEY LED TO THE FACT THAT IT WAS VERY EASY TO MERCHANDISE AND SELL EVERYTHING IN YOUR CLOSET.

SECOND IS SOCIAL MEDIA.

WHEN YOU THINK OF SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU WEAR AN OUTFIT, YOU POST IT, IT INSTANTLY GETS OBSOLETE, SO THE NEED TO CIRCULATE THESE OUTFITS HAS GONE UP PRETTY DRAMATICALLY.

AND THIRD IS THE FOCUS ON SUSTAINABILITY AND VINTAGE.

THE ABILITY TO SORT OF SHOP THESE AMAZING STYLES, BE ABLE TO GO BACK 30, 40 YEARS AND PICK UP STYLES AND DO IT IN A SUSTAINABLE FASHION IS RESHAPING AND REALLY PUSHING RESALE AS A MAINSTREAM SHOPPING APPROACH.

ALI: THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS BEEN USING TARIFFS TO FURTHER ITS ECONOMIC POLICY.

WE'VE HEARD FROM MANY MANUFACTURERS, MANY DIFFERENT BRANDS, SUCH AS NIKE, WHO RECENTLY CALLED THESE TARIFFS "A NEW AND MEANINGFUL COST" FOR THE COMPANY.

HOW HAVE THESE POLICIES, THOUGH, AFFECTED ACTIVITY ON POSHMARK AND THE BUSINESS OF THE PLATFORM?

MANISH: WELL, WHAT WE ARE SEEING IS A CONTINUED SORT OF RISE IN GROWTH, BUT IN PARTICULAR, WHEN YOU LOOK AT SORT OF MORE PRECIOUS ITEMS.

SO, FOR EXAMPLE, CHANEL TOTES HAVE GONE UP JUST IN MAY, 30% MONTH OVER MONTH, OR DIOR BAGS AND CLUTCHES, ANOTHER 28% MONTH, OVER MONTH.

WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS THAT AS PEOPLE ARE LOOKING AT POSHMARK, NOT JUST AS A PLACE TO SHOP FOR AUTHENTIC STYLE AND VINTAGE STUFF, BUT AS A PLACE TO HUNT FOR DISCOUNTS, IT REALLY GIVES THEM AN ALTERNATIVE TO TRADITIONAL SHOPPING.

ALI: AS WE SEE THESE TRADE WARS CONTINUE AFFECTING SUPPLY CHAINS, AFFECTING PRICES, HOW DO YOU THINK THAT'S GOING TO AFFECT THE RESALE FASHION MARKET GOING FORWARD?

MANISH: WELL, AS YOU KNOW, TARIFFS HAVE BEEN A CHANGING PIECE.

SO SOME OF IT IS SORT OF STARTING TO SHOW UP IN THE ECONOMIC DATA AND SOME OF IT WILL SHOW UP IN THE FUTURE.

WHAT WE ARE DOING REALLY TO RESPOND TO IT IS LEANING INTO WHAT WE DO BEST, WHICH IS OFFERING OUR SHOPPERS AND SELLERS MORE ADVANCED TOOLS THAT THEY CAN USE, LEVERAGING THE POWER OF AI.

O IT ALLOWS FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE TO GET AND PARTICIPATE IN THE ACT OF SELLING.

ON THE SHOPPING SIDE, WE'VE INTRODUCED A LIVE SHOPPING FORMAT THAT ALLOWS PEOPLE TO LOOK AT THE ITEM, DISCOVER SORT OF IN AN ENTERTAINMENT FORMAT HOW THEY CAN SHOP.

WE'VE ADDED THE ABILITY TO TAKE A PHOTO AND QUICKLY FIND ITEMS LIKE THAT ON POSH MARK.

SO WE ARE LEANING INTO TECHNOLOGY TO HELP OUR SELLERS AND SHOPPERS LEVERAGE WHAT THEY CAN THEY HAVE IN THEIR CLOSET AND SHOP EACH OTHER'S CLOSETS.

ALI: AND THE RESALE MARKET IS IN SOME WAYS A COUNTERWEIGHT TO THE FAST FASHION INDUSTRY, WHICH IS CHARACTERIZED BY HIGH TURNOVER OF STYLES, LOW-COST PRODUCTS.

FAST FASHION IS OF COURSE STILL VERY POPULAR DESPITE TARIFFS AFFECTING SHIPPING COSTS AND THAT LIKE.

SO HOW DO YOU SEE THE POSITION OF THE RESALE FASHION SEGMENT AS IT RELATES TO FAST FASHION INDUSTRY?

MANISH: IF YOU THINK ABOUT THE NEED FOR FAST FASHION, IT REALLY IS ON THE FACT THAT THE CLOTHING WE ARE WEARING IS GETTING OBSOLETED FOR US AT A VERY FAST PACE.

THE STYLES ARE CHANGING, WE HAVE MICRO TRENDS HAPPENING.

SOMETIMES IT'S Y2K, SOMETIMES IT'S BARBIE-CORE, SOMETIMES IT GRANDMA-CORE.

SO ALL OF THAT FORCES THE STYLE AND TRENDY TO KIND OF CHANGE THEIR STYLE.

WELL, ANOTHER COMPLETELY ALTERNATIVE WAY TO DO THAT IS THROUGH RESALE, WHERE YOU CAN CIRCULATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE, GET AMAZING PRODUCTS, GET HIGH QUALITY PRODUCTS, MIX AND MATCH AND RESTYLE WHAT YOU HAVE AND DO IT IN A WAY THAT'S BOTH FRIENDLY TO YOUR WALLET BUT ALSO FRIENDLY TO THE ECONOMY AND SUSTAINABILITY.

O, RESALE OFFERS 180-DEGREE ALTERNATIVE TO FAST FASHION AND WE BELIEVE IT'S A MUCH BETTER, MUCH MORE STYLISH.

AND ALSO, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT FAST FASHION DOESN'T OFFER THAT RE-SELL OFFERS IS UNIQUENESS.

ALI: BARBIE-CORE, GRANDMA-CORE, I SIMPLY CANNOT KEEP UP.

MANISH CHANDRA, FOUNDER AND CEO OF POSHMARK, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US AND BREAKING THIS ALL DOWN FOR US.

MANISH: THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.

JOHN: AND THAT IS PBS NEWS WEEKEND FOR THIS SATURDAY.

I'M JOHN YANG.

FOR ALL OF MY COLLEAGUES, THANKS FOR JOINING US.

SEE YOU TOMORROW.